I bet you guys and gals didn't know that grammar was controversial! Yes, people actually get together and argue about grammar rules. I want you guys to listen to the Grammar Girl lesson about the top 10 grammar myths and then post some actual examples of some of these myths in use! You can copy and paste the examples from online sources or direct us to other sites that discuss these same myths!
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/top-ten-grammar-myths.aspx
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to leave quickly
to want always
to excel easily
not to fail a class
to leave quickly
to always want
to easily excel
to not fail a class
-megan clouse
8/28/2008
period 7ths
Well I found some links about the topic I didn't go through it all because I didn't have time but here they are.
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content4/grammer.morph.html
http://goodessays.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-10-english-grammar-myths-and.html
http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/01-02/04-15/rules.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93909/Top-10-English-Grammar-Myths-and-Superstitions-in-Essay-Writing-by-Good-English-Essays
hopefuly the helpful
ok so i watched the video and i still have just a few questions. about a few of them.
-4. You use "a" before words that start with consonants and an before words that start with vowels. Wrong! You use a before words that start with consonant sounds and an before words that start with vowel sounds. *if this is true then why dont teachers teach it this way. they mislead us in the world of words.
-Irregardless is not a word. *if that was true then why would it be in the dictionsary?
-10. A run-on sentence is a really long sentence. Wrong! They can actually be quite short. *why do they call it a run on sentence if it only runs-on for a little bit?
not to feed my dog
to not feed my dog
to need always
to always need
she ran she thought about her exam.
http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~tlsweb/TWC/webresources/RunonSentences.pdf
The new policy was approved.
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/passive.htm
This is the kind of English I will not put up with.
This is the kind of English I will not put up. Wrong!
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/24439-ending-sentence-preposition.html
I must agree with irregardless. If it's not a real word, why IS it in the dictionary??
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Okay here goes nothing;
10. A run-on sentence is a really long sentence. Wrong! They can actually be quite short. In a run-on sentence, independent clauses are squished together without the help of punctuation or a conjunction. If you write I am happy I am glad* as one sentence without a semicolon, colon, or dash between the two independent clauses, it's a run-on sentence even though it only has six words. (See episode 49 for more details.)
"I am fine really i am."
8. Irregardless is not a word. Wrong! Irregardless is a word in the same way ain't is a word. They're informal. They're nonstandard. You shouldn't use them if you want to be taken seriously, but they have gained wide enough use to qualify as words. (See episode 94 for more details.)
"Okay i have to agree with JustinW,
if it wan't a real work then why is it in the dictionary?"
~Weird~
"Irregardless is the analogy of irrespective,irelevant, and irreparable."
5. I.e. and e.g. mean the same thing. Wrong! E.g. means "for example," and i.e. means roughly "in other words." You use e.g. to provide a list of incomplete examples, and you use i.e. to provide a complete clarifying list or statement. (See episode 53 for more details.)
"I never knew that, and why does E.g. mean for example what does the 'G' stand for? And I.e.?
wow..
10.A run-on sentence is a really long sentence. "They are wrong i am right"
9.You shouldn't start a sentence with the word however. "That was cool. However, it was dangerous."
4.You use a before words that start with consonants and an before words that start with vowels. "Here comes an NBA player."
I like everyones examples. :))
Whoa isn't grammer special??
Here's my example of a random possesive word with an s at the end:
wrong- Charles car
right- Charles's car
right- Charles' car
That was pretty good huh? :)
This is a REALLY good site for grammer help, definitions, directions, quizzes, writing help, etc. Check it out:
http://
grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/index.htm
Grammar myths sound wired to me, but to understand them I found
http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content4/grammer.morph.html
And
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
To better comprehend.
I found out that the top ten myths are sensible in that they do make a sentence a true one, for example:
#10
A run on can consist of a small amount of words. It does not as some say; “run on for a long time” in other words it is long.
The dog slept the cats slept.
This is a run on in that it is two different fraises put together without in a way that doesn’t make sense
It should be,
The dog and the cat slept.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/84/I0238400.html
this website is also agreeing that irregardless is a word.
http://www.testmagic.com/grammar/explanations/verbs/split-infinitives.asp
this says that it is okay to split infinitives in some cases, but that it's better not to. Here are some examples it also had:
to quickly leave-split infinitive
to leave quickly-not a split infinitive
http://grammartips.homestead.com/prepositions1.html
this website agrees that it's usually not wronf to end a sentence with a preposition in certain circumstances. lIke in these examples:
Officials in Iraq still have not decided with whom he will be allowed to meet. - w/o preposition on end of sentence.
Officials in Iraq still have not decided whom he will be allowed to meet with. - sounds better w/ preposition on end of sentence. Makes more sense.
8. Irregardless is not a word. Wrong! Irregardless is a word in the same way ain't is a word. They're informal. They're nonstandard. You shouldn't use them if you want to be taken seriously, but they have gained wide enough use to qualify as words. (See episode 94 for more details.)
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
ir·re·gard·less Audio Help /ˌɪrɪˈgɑrdlɪs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ir-i-gahrd-lis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb Nonstandard. regardless.
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[Origin: 1910–15; ir-2 (prob. after irrespective) + regardless]
—Usage note Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006. 10.
A run-on sentence is a really long sentence. Wrong! They can actually be quite short. In a run-on sentence, independent clauses are squished together without the help of punctuation or a conjunction. If you write I am happy I am glad* as one sentence without a semicolon, colon, or dash between the two independent clauses, it's a run-on sentence even though it only has six words. (See episode 49 for more details.)
he is fast and he is quick
9. You shouldn't start a sentence with the word however. Wrong! It's fine to start a sentence with however so long as you use a comma after it when it means "nevertheless." (See episode 58 for more details.)
However, the people were angry.
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/top-ten-grammar-myths.aspx
after reading the website and reading peoples example of it i understand it more of what to be correct or for it to be wrong like:
quickly to read.
fast to run.
jump to far.
to read quickly.
to run fast.
to jump far.
5. I.e. and e.g. mean the same thing. Wrong! E.g. means "for example," and i.e. means roughly "in other words." You use e.g. to provide a list of incomplete examples, and you use i.e. to provide a complete clarifying list or statement. (See episode 53 for more details.)
10. A run-on sentence is a really long sentence. Wrong! They can actually be quite short. In a run-on sentence, independent clauses are squished together without the help of punctuation or a conjunction. If you write I am happy I am glad* as one sentence without a semicolon, colon, or dash between the two independent clauses, it's a run-on sentence even though it only has six words. (See episode 49 for more details.)
Jamie Mills
Block 7
http://goodessays.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-10-english-grammar-myths-and.html
Rule number 3: Never start a sentence with and, but, or because.
Ex:
Wrong:And they went home.
Right:They played at the park, and then they went home.
It is incorrect because the sentence is to vague and it doesn't describe where they were going home from.
Rule number 8: Never use since as because
You can actually use since as because, because it means a particular time as in past, present, or future.
Ex: Since I was late to class, I had to have a tardy mark.
Because i was late to class, i had to have a tardy mark.
See, they have basically the same meaning. So check out the website and it gives you 10 other top grammer myths then just what grammer girl gave.
I get most of the 10 grammar girl myths, but not all. I don't really get #2, Split Infinitives. They are confusing to me because I don’t really get what initiatives are. So like, in the example, "To boldly tell" is a split infinitive because boldly separates to from tell, doesn’t make very much sense. I also don't get #5. It says I.e. = (In other words) and e.g. = (For example). What are those? Are they suppose to abbreviate the words to make them shorter, like etc. = exedra?
However, #9 (LOL!! I used the myth!!) Whooooo! Lol, anyway what I was saying is. However, I do understand #9. I always use it in my writing. It makes sense to me and it always goes good with my sentences. I also understand #4. When you say "I want an apple", the "an" automatically comes into the sentence to make it complete. But if you said 'I want a apple", that just doesn't sound right.
Luke Nords websites that he posted are very nice to look at too. They helped me a little and gave me more perspective to the myths and how they work. "Good job Luke!!" LOL!
Again with the Word Verification code xD. Just try saying it: vkwnwm.. VIKKWINWOM....
Myth 9
However, I still like to party. (:P)
Myth 2
To strongly disagree
To adoringly love
To barely start
2. You shouldn't split infinitives. Wrong! Nearly all grammarians want to boldly tell you it's OK to split infinitives. An infinitive is a two-word form of a verb. An example is "to tell." In a split infinitive, another word separates the two parts of the verb. "To boldly tell" is a split infinitive because boldly separates to from tell.
When I heard/read about the number two myth, I thought it was unbelievable. How can you have descriptive sentences without separating infinitives. Are people just stupid? Why couldn't you separate them? There would be no Mad Libs if you couldn't separate infinitives. Whoever thinks it is not OK to split infinitives is a terrible person.
4. You use a before words that start with consonants and an before words that start with vowels. Wrong! You use a before words that start with consonant sounds and an before words that start with vowel sounds.
If teachers taught elementary school kids this, there would be way less confusion. Instead, this is kind of brushed over and kids have to learn about it on their own. I learned that an goes before vowels and a before consonants.
5. I.e. and e.g. mean the same thing. Wrong! E.g. means "for example," and i.e. means roughly "in other words.
I didn't even know about these. There are plenty of other ways of going around them. I have never had to use them, and I have never seen them before.
1. You shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition. Wrong! You shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition when the sentence would mean the same thing if you left off the preposition. That means "Where are you at?" is wrong because "Where are you?" means the same thing.
In the example, it says "where are you at?" is wrong. People still use it all the time. In fact, the used to be a commercial for a cell phone company where they said "where are you at" to emphasize their new location finders (or what ever it was). Does this mean that the cell phone company is stupid and they don't know how to talk? I think to an extent this is acceptable.
http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/probPrep.asp
this site has lots of preposition problem examples
Don't end sentences with prepositions.
what are you waiting for?
however, that would be fine.
what class are you in?
why are you waiting?
yes, that would be fine.
what class are you going to?
I though run-on sentences had to be like more than one sentence combined. Which would make it longer. Nope, they dont have to be long or be two sentences combined without using a peroid or comma.
So I agree with
People are over rated
This site has some interesting exampes;
http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/01-02/04-15/rules.html
Call me crazy but i think grammar is sort of fun.
so i was looking fo some ways to prove that to everyone else.
go to you tube, and type in roadrunner grammar.
it is very cute and funny.
(yes it is the roadrunner from Cartoon Network)
Holy moly!
there are some pretty intertaining grammar games on this site.
http://www.learnenglish.org.uk/grammar/archive/grammar_games_index_page01.html
Irregardless!
i must agree with justine.
if its is nota word.........why the heck is it in the dictionary?
one word. c-o-n-f-u-s-i-n-g~!
-Kaitlin Cochran
Block 7
to win easily
not to score a touchdown
not to talk to my brother
to easily win
to not score a touchdown
to not talk to my brother
when they were talking about irregardless im pretty sure they were saying it was a word and the myth was that it wasnt. Aint is also in some of the new dictionaries.
"how are you,""I'm good"
How are you," "I'm well"
not to fail a class
forgot to feed my dog
forgot my homework
these are some examples of sentences that lack grammer but lets just face it everyone makes mistakes parents, authors, students. anyone who writes can't write the perfect story in one try.
I read all ten of the myths of writing and some I understand and some I dID not.
-On the one hand, time travel should be theoretically possible; on the other, the implications of time travel upset the laws of physics. WRONG!(http://wps.
ablongman.com/long_faigley_penguinhb
_2/31/8185/2095457.cw/content/index.html)
-The steak was excellent. However, the wine was a bit dry and made the steak hard to swallow. RIGHT!
-It's been an hour since I was last awake. USE AN INSTEAD OF A BECAUSE THE SOUND IS A VOWEL SOUND!
(http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/a-versus-an.aspx)
http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content4/grammer.morph.html
And
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
here are the topic places i didnt have time to look bu these kinda got my attiction from the web site so check them out its daniel brown
This website shows some short run on sentences. Scroll down and in a box there will be an example of one.
http://ace.acadiau.ca/english/grammar/runon.htm
Whoa i did not know that "I'm good" is incorrect grammar the correct term is "I'm well". Also i did not know that a run on sentence could be short because the word run on kinda indicates that it is a long sentence. Thats news to me because i know i do run on sentences a lot now
to leave quikly
to excel easily
to want always
not to fail class
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
to leave quikly
to excel easily
to want always
not to fail class
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
to leave quikly
to want always
to excel easily
not to fail class
http://goodessays.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-10-english-grammar-myths-and.html
http://goodessays.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-10-
I thout a run on sentence had to be a long sentence. but it doesnt have to be. A run on is a sentence that has no stopping point or no period/camma
3. It's incorrect to answer the question "How are you?" with the statement "I'm good." Wrong! Am is a linking verb and linking verbs should be modified by adjectives such as good. Because well can also act as an adjective, it's also fine to answer "I'm well," but some grammarians believe "I'm well" should be used to talk about your health and not your general disposition. (See episode 51 for more details.)
This grammar myth I liked the most because I didn’t knew this.
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/top-ten-grammar-myths.aspx
by Brandon Arellano
block 7
Wow, I never realized nuber 4 was so true. I know that i already used that rule, but i had never really noticed it until i lisened to what Grammar Girl was talking about. It was intresting to hear. I have found a link to show you that can relate to these rules. It has links that are marked to help you with mistakes commonly made, and also has a few that aren't even mentchioned in Grammar Girls version. Go ahead and look at a few of the links and see for your self...
http://www.grammarbook.com/english_rules.asp
i did not know aint was made a word
here be a link http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
after reading the website and reading peoples example of it i understand it more of what to be correct or for it to be wrong like:
quickly to read.
fast to run.
jump to far.
to read quickly.
to run fast.
to jump far.
5. I.e. and e.g. mean the same thing. Wrong! E.g. means "for example," and i.e. means roughly "in other words." You use e.g. to provide a list of incomplete examples, and you use i.e. to provide a complete clarifying list or statement. (See episode 53 for more details.)
10. A run-on sentence is a really long sentence. Wrong! They can actually be quite short. In a run-on sentence, independent clauses are squished together without the help of punctuation or a conjunction. If you write I am happy I am glad* as one sentence without a semicolon, colon, or dash between the two independent clauses, it's a run-on sentence even though it only has six words. (See episode 49 for more details.)
to leave quickly
to want always
to excel easily
not to fail a class
to leave quickly
to always want
to easily excel
to not fail a class
Here are a few websites that I have found that discuss this topic:
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93909/Top-10-English-Grammar-Myths-and-Superstitions-in-Essay-Writing-by-Good-English-Essays
http://goodessays.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-10-english-grammar-myths-and.html
http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/24439-ending-sentence-preposition.html
Myth 10
I beleive that run-on sentences can be short or long. If a sentence can be split into two then there should be a comma, period, or semi-colon.
Myth 9
When you use however to start a sentence your basically proving a point.
To make a basket
not to let them make a basket
play good d fence
play good offence
win games
dont lose games
score high
dont run up the score
have fun
keep your head up if you lose
"Thats not something i dont want to do."
The boy ran the girl ran together.
Should be..
The boy and the girl ran together.
GRAMAR MYTHS~~~
Run on sentences are really long~ Wrong! The sentences can actually be very short but just not have the correct punctuation to
Run on sentence~ I like cats they are soft.
Using however~ The dance was last night. However, i didn't go.
http://www.grammarphobia.com/grammar.html
to leave quickly
to always want
to excel easily
not to fail a class
Irregardless is not a word. Wrong! Irregardless is a word in the same way ain't is a word. They're informal. They're nonstandard.
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